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Townsmen

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@MattsEcho | 19:12 - 20 February 2013
Well, this little discussion and "review" have turned me off to this site forever. I have never seen a game designer treated with such hostility, nor have I ever seen such an obvious crusade against the freemium model masquerading as a review. You picked the wrong target, Aros. Try picking on Pixel People or something...that is the kind of model you are railing against. I picked up Townsmen Premium and never spent a dime or felt tempted...and I am just the sort of person you are talking about. I had to delete freemium games because I spent too much on them, but I don't feel like I will ever have to delete Townsmen. The game basically ends before it ever comes up. I didn't even need the points I got for buying the premium version.

tl;dr: the lack of professionalism on display here is pretty gross and has lost you at least one pair of eyes. Grow up.
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Nathan Barrett | 20:39 - 15 February 2013
I only paid a dollar to get rid of the ads. I never had a problem with prestige points. I barely even used them until the last mission where you have to build a big town in one hour. I now have over 3000 points and I only use them to repair all buildings with the carpenter, and you can easily replace them when they give you a quest for 10,000 gold every so often, and reward you with 100 points. That being said, I am used to having to wait 4 days for something to upgrade in Clash of Clans, so other people might not be as patient and want to speed up the building process using a lot of prestige.
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aros | 11:56 - 3 September 2012
But the problem is people with addictive personalities and mental health problems - these are the 'super' users the freemium developers are so desperate to target. Why do you think these games take an unlimited amount of money rather than a fixed amount to unlock everything? Who in their right mind would think a simple mobile title is worth £100 when you could get 3 AAA console titles for that with 100x the development budget and at least 100x the experience too.

Duke - just because everyone else is doing something that is wrong, does not mean you should do it too. That is one of the first lessons parents teach a child so I am shocked that you are using that as a defence of Handygames here
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Duke Radish | 10:39 - 22 August 2012
@aros This isn't really a case of morally wrong greed. It's not like handygames has a monopoly on mobile games and are forcing people to pay extragavant prices to enjoy anything (e.g. Cellular providers).

The game is worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. If Townsmen ends up being less fun than the glut of other freemium games available, some of which have great longevity for free, then people won't play and they won't make money. If it's a great game with purchases that enhance the experience (rather than hinder it if you don't pay) then people won't mind throwing the dollars their way.
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Duke Radish | 10:32 - 22 August 2012
This is an unusually active thread for such non-issue. Freemium games in and of themselves are not evil and many of them can be quite fun if you limit your play time and aren't expecting a satisfying end game.

Once or twice a day I update Happy Street, Dragon Story, Monster Park, etc, set up the next crazy time limit build, hatch, whatever and that's that.

I'm looking forward to trying Townsmen and if I enjoy it I'll get the premium version. I have all the damn 5 dollar kairosoft games so purchasing isn't an issue. Fun gameplay is the issue.
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Christoffel de | 22:22 - 21 August 2012
I would not mind paying 15 euro for a game I've been waiting for. I've paid for ff3 with pleasure. Please offer a version with unlimited speed up time.
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aros | 13:43 - 21 August 2012
And why do people normally ignore things that are morally wrong? Money/greed of course. Is the game really worth £50, £100, £500? I bet you could spend those amounts on it, quite easily.
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aros | 10:27 - 21 August 2012
I'm not talking about remove ads - if that was the only IAP I would have kept the game and paid to remove them. I wouldn't critisize that choice of payment option at all and would have paid up to £2. It's the Farmville like 'remove waiting' payments that I think are wrong as they target vulnerable people - a fact the gaming industry seems to ignore.
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Christopher Kassulke | 06:00 - 21 August 2012
oh aros I felt sry for gamers ended up in strange subscriptions or paying 5 euros for the game plus another 20 to download it for their airtime. btw you dont have to buy our games you can all play them for free and if you like them you can spend money on the games.

so i quite the discussion now. download or play the games you like if its free, f2p, paid or whatever.

and i never hide. as a power user as you are aros you should know my name from the articles here very well ;)

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@Athanateus | 17:32 - 20 August 2012
Hey Aros... I'm really sorry but you have the wrong end of the stick here. Christopher is quite well known especially amongst the mobile games industry. He and I have know each other for over 10 years since I was running the 3 UK Games platform (a long time ago). There was no hiding going on.

I also believe you are quite wrong about the nature of Freemium games. I played for several hours non-stop before writing my comments. Just to be sure. I didn't feel nagged - tempted was more to the point. I chose not to spend money partly in response to what I consider was an appalling review. I still had a very enjoyable game. I still want to play it more.

The adverts do take over the screen, but they return to play neatly and to be honest it was a pleasant break in the rhythm of play for me (Sorry Christopher!) but I don't think paying 99ct is unreasonable a price and far from immoral.

Fine you don't like this game, fine you don't want to play freemium... sure but I'd rather have a freemium game where I can choose how and if I want to spend money once I know that I enjoy it and if I love the game, why can't I spend more in it - if that gives me pleasure.

Oh! and in case you think I'm biased... I am... I don't work for Handy Games though... I just like drinking beer with Chris at events where I talk about what makes Freemium games work.
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aros | 11:10 - 20 August 2012
It's very low posting comments pretending to be a satisfied user - the HandyGames staff here would not have said who they were if someone didn't point it out. That is beyond sneaky and I genuinely expected better from them as I have enjoyed some of their previous titles.

Once the company releases an incredibly greedy freemium title that constantly nags you to spend money, it seems the staff, like the title itself, have completely lost all morals.

I for one will not be buying anymore HandyGames titles - you expect better from quite big developers than pretending to be users to trick people.
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aros | 11:05 - 20 August 2012
"Freemium Games are not evil or garbage, they are about finding a different way to monetise this game and at the same time allow a much larger range of people to play even without paying."

A greedy way. Being able to spend unlimited money is incredibly greedy on the developers part. You take advantage of people with OCD and addictive personalities and draw every drop of blood out of them you can. I'm not saying all high spenders fit this category but SOME do and that should be enough for you to feel very, very bad about your new pricing strategy.
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Yousaf Khan | 10:08 - 20 August 2012
I must disagree with the reviewer here who makes it believe that you need to spend money to have fun with this game. I have currently finished the first mission and I have now started on the second one. The game gives you FREE 60 seconds of 5x speed up on the game per mission. At the end of mission 1 I had around 10 seconds left of speed up and a boat load of money. I ONLY used the speed up function on the very beginning of the game since I did not read the tutorial and did not fully understand the game mechanics.

I earned around 225 tribute from the first mission. Unlocking mission 2 cost me 150 tribute. Unlocking mission 3 costs 300 tribute. if you buy the Premium version then you get to start with 250 tribute. Two game items needs to be unlocked with tribute which are the auto-tax collector and auto-repair. Also tons of decoration items can be bought with tribute but I never had any need for those.

This game is easy and gets very hectic when your town grows because of the tax collection and repairs. My only complaint is that the game is to simple as there is no challenge in expanding your town.

I would rate this game 7/10
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Christopher Kassulke | 07:07 - 20 August 2012
Christoffel - the premium version is as mentioned in the description a version without advertisment, plus enough prestige to play. It has still in app purchases for those who want to progress even faster. We have a lot of gamers who dont spend anything on the game as they know how to get to prestige points as they can be earned easily over quests within the game. so a good player can play the whole game without buying anything. If you are unsure if the game is good or not download the free version and try it out. thats what those games are for they are free to play. and yes you also have the fast forward button within both versions and they work ;) If you have input what should come in; everyone is able to tell it on our Facebook fanpage.
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Christoffel de | 22:19 - 19 August 2012
With fully featured I also mean with regular speed, not something that takes ages unless you use credits for some speed up "potion" to artificially force the player to spend money.
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Christoffel de | 22:17 - 19 August 2012
Hi,

I noticed there's a premium version of this game, before I purchase I need to know if I can play the game fully featured for the asking price. I'm very wary because the description makes note of some kind of credits you receive and seems to be some kind of backhand method to lure you into the freemium model.

I'd really want to give this game a try (only full version) as I haven't found a good settlers clone that works well on my tegra 3 tablet.

Thanks,
Christoffel
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Christopher Kassulke | 22:35 - 18 August 2012
paul advertisment can be switch off for 99ct. you can play the whole game with all features without paying anything. you can also play all the different maps when you finish one by one.

for angelyote - yes I am the ceo of handy games and I do not hide. I write with my real name as all should do here. ;)

as mentioned paul I have no problem with your 4/10 its your review but the game is for sure not "garbage" and we dont bribe anyone to rate us high in google play.
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Christopher Kassulke | 22:23 - 18 August 2012
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@alvysingerUK | 12:01 - 18 August 2012
Interestingly comments from everyone here, and I take on board the view that freemium gives everyone a chance to try a game before paying any money.

However, as explored in the review, in this case the freemium features are too heavy handed and persistent to allow you to relax and enjoy the game.
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angelyote | 20:47 - 17 August 2012
Keep in mind that Christopher Kassulke is the owner and CEO of HandyGames and that @Athanateus is a "Social Game Design Evangelist".

Their presence here and support of the freemium model are self-serving. Don't take their comments objectively.
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@Athanateus | 13:42 - 17 August 2012
Wow! are we talking about the same game or was this review designed to attack the freemium model?

Have you forgotten that you don't have to pay to try this game out? If you don't like the game or you think its pace is too slow or too sharp a price level you simply decide not to continue.

As Christopher knows I have always loved the Townsman series and I'll keep my design comments for between me and him over beers.

But this review in my opinion seems to ignore the game, and instead fixates on the 'Freemium-haters' who, whilst entitled to their opinion, have lots of choice of other games they can play. And at the time of me posting has a rating score of 4.6 (of 5)

Freemium Games are not evil or garbage, they are about finding a different way to monetise this game and at the same time allow a much larger range of people to play even without paying.

This game to me seems like a perfectly good design, recapturing the enjoyment of the original series and I for one will continue to play it.

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aros | 10:57 - 15 August 2012
Garbage being f2p games that require huge amounts of money to continue playing. Pretty much all f2p games bribe the user for reviews so I wouldn't put too much on its Google Play score.
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Christopher Kassulke | 14:38 - 14 August 2012
garbage aros? did you played the game? if pg editors believe its a 4 out of 10 its ok. the current average user rating is 4.5 out of 5 which is for sure not bad. you can play townsmen without paying anything but I will not start a discussion about f2p games here and I post here by my real name.
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aros | 13:29 - 14 August 2012
When are people going to stand up to garbage like this? If they didn't make loads of money doing it, they wouldn't. Apple & Google adding In App Purchases has had a huge and negative effect on mobile gaming that is only getting worse. Remember when IAP was used to unlock a full game if you were happy with a demo?
 
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